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Thought so, saw it today while I was looking for some trucks to paint.

Not that one exactly, that was the Mall Plaza Oeste AMTA show. I went to the Estación Mapocho show (20th july). And yes, that truck is Havoc. Great freestyle show.

I'm not sorry anymore.

didn't offend me

its people's own faults if they get offened, getting offended is a choice people make.

IE
People could say to me my tracks are crap blah, blah, even make a whole thread about people complaining, but it wouldn't bother me, cause that would involve me careing about what other people think, and I didnt make tracks because I wanted to please a crowd, I did it cause I enjoyed it.

I personally try to please the crowd, but it's really hard to do. I feel like i've failed if there isn't much talk about it. I try to not let it get to me though, because that's when it loses it's fun.

I too spent over 20 yrs of my young working life in the tire bizness, from Champion Auto Stores to Wal Mart, and the tires that are cut down like tractor pulling tires, that the trucks use today, are nothing like the full on knobby lug stuff they ran in the 80's... that said, people, make your own treads, Slick made his for his trucks, now everyone uses em on everything, NOT everything has to have cut treads, and beadlock wheels...

MJ trucks are all the same, you take the body off of Meants, paint it lime green, and it could be used as Digger, minus a few body supports... MJ today is just like Nascar. The old days, we had Mopars, Jeeps, Willys, 50's Fords, etc.

Make a truck, not just someone else's, repaint it, and call it it "new". Just cuz it isnt on MJ, doesnt mean it isnt cool. Make something different.

I too like the scrap yard trucks, something someone slapped together from those sites. I'd rather see a truck with a scrapyard body, with 4 engines in it, and a snow plow on it, than one more carbon copy MJ style truck. I'd review and DL something like that, I see an MJ style custom or Rep, I just click the back button and skip it.

eBay sells millions of tires & wheels, literally. You can get pics of treads, wheels, engine parts, from there... be creative. The stuff is out there, but no one anymore is trying.

>>that said, people, make your own treads, Slick made his for his trucks, now everyone uses em on everything, NOT everything has to have cut treads, and beadlock wheels...

Actually, slick took those treads from another monster truck game. Almost every truck today runs beedlocks and cut treads, it's just part of the future of trucks.

>>MJ trucks are all the same, you take the body off of Meants, paint it lime green, and it could be used as Digger, minus a few body supports... MJ today is just like Nascar. The old days, we had Mopars, Jeeps, Willys, 50's Fords, etc.

It's funny you say that, because meents and digger are a couple of the few trucks that run their own frames/setup. Meents runs a completely different frame from anderson, and it shows that you just hate todays trucks and don't care to take any of the reality into recognition.

No offense Repfan, but you don't hear me down talking on 80's trucks so why should i have to put up with mindless trash talking on one of the biggest motor sports today?

It's simply just evolution, and for some reason, a lot of people never like to see our world grow technologically.

Rep, i trust your thoughts change though if its a really good repaint right, (to not discourage newcomers to the truck making business)

Go White!

*claps*

Again White, like last time, you miss my point, as usual, just to start a fight, so forget it... and you can sit on your clapping hands "Ethan"... don't get excited over nothing.

Yes Slayer, you are correct...

There is one big problem about new trucks, they're not even trucks.
They're just huge frames with fiberglass bodies on, just like Nascars aren't even cars. Atleast in the 80s people actually took the time to build a real monster truck with a real body. And back then they actually crushed cars and not just jumped over them.

Not to mention most Monster Jam trucks look like an animal head on wheels, personally I think the new body designs are just retarded.

Plus I agree with Rep fan the most fun trucks to use are scrapyard trucks covered in guns and aerials. I never download any of the new MJ trucks being made, just like I never race on drags anymore.


And now, I would like to say again what this whole thread is about. People are NOT using their imagination anymore to build trucks, they just copy someone elses.
People are just being lazy and not building their own designs anymore.

About the Communtiy arguement..
They way i see it Monster Jam Broadened the Draggers part of MTM2 and did absolutely nothing for the circuitiers.
Whats with all the arguements anyway, everytime someone from the circuits tries to bridge the communitys together ( like Kmaster, FenderBender or myself plus others) theres just a big ol' arguement.
I kinda miss the original circuits like ZOON's, but i also like the Replicas from Monster jam.
i think the matter is that in this time frame the main demand for trucks/tracks are replicas, everyone wants the latest and greatest replicas.. and they get them for the most part.
Us circuiteers have some track makers but there a few cirtcuits being made at this time compared to drags, and that kinda bothers me, I like circuits but where did all the circuit creativity go? I sure wish my freind Jam could find some interest in Traxx, He'd have some ideas that be great for it. But Original trucks being an issue? Im seeing some great creativity coming forth. And if i can figure out a way where i can make mtm2 trucks in Zmodeler, I'll have some trucks on the way too.

Look at it this way, back when MTM2 circuits were the main stream, drags are few and far, Im thinking that what goes around comes around, and now drags are making a comeback.

Hope noone find this post offensive cuase i didnt mean it that way.

[ edit ] keep cool please

How are people not using there imagination? Seriously, Let people make what ever they want, If they want to make a replicated MJ truck then so be it! If you don't like the MJ trucks then tell LN that, not the guys replicating the trucks, I applaud White for his posts in here as well, Its a dern game let people make what they want, Its better for folks to actually make replicas and repaints then to make nothing at all, And to say people are lazy? Your kidding right? Have you even downloaded the last few replicas? Scott, Jet, RKM and among others have worked incredibly hard to replicate there trucks and its sure as hell not easy doing so, They work hard and dillegently on each and every truck they replicate, So to call them lazy is just plain ignorance because you have no idea how much hard work goes into some of the replicas, You want to complain about the "no more imagination" then go complain to LN. If I must say, If I must say though LN has a good imagination as well, I mean IMO it must take some what of an imagination to have the 3D trucks and bodys they do, Sure I don't like most of them but there is some creativity in there.

Its a new time, New ERA move on and get with it, 80's trucks will never be back so there is no reason dissing people who actually like the new age of Monster Trucks.

You have every right to state your opinion, as do i. As i said in the reply, no offense intended.

Good points Kasey, i just wish people would stop acting like there is no work involved in these trucks. do you guys honestly think they're making themselves?

I wrote the following after reading Yomega's post. I've edited a couple posts between to remove anything that looked a little too much like personal attacks. Let's keep our cool here fellas.


Creativity or Quality or Productivity or Demographics?

We can prove productivity...

<table width="300" align="center"><tr align="center" bgcolor="navy"><td>YEAR</td><td>RUMBLE</td><td>RACE</td><td>DRAG</td></tr><tr align="center"><td>2008</td><td>22</td><td>30</td><td>107</td></tr><tr align="center"><td>2007</td><td>31</td><td>58</td><td>121</td></tr><tr align="center"><td>2006</td><td>2</td><td>39</td><td>92</td></tr><tr align="center"><td>2005</td><td>9</td><td>50</td><td>72</td></tr><tr align="center"><td>2004</td><td>45</td><td>149</td><td>105</td></tr><tr align="center"><td>2003</td><td>51</td><td>164</td><td>106</td></tr><tr align="center"><td>2002</td><td>133</td><td>200</td><td>157</td></tr><tr align="center"><td>2001</td><td>64</td><td>250</td><td>110</td></tr><tr align="center"><td>2000</td><td>59</td><td>357</td><td>56</td></tr><tr align="center"><td>1999</td><td>258</td><td>496</td><td>26</td></tr><tr align="center"><td>1998</td><td>164</td><td>293</td><td>0</td></tr></table>

'99 was the best year for rumbles and races in terms of productivity; '02 was best for drags. Why? The answer is: Demographics! For those of you who don't know, demographics describes groups of people. In computer gaming that means who plays what, when they play it, and from that hopefully you can figure out why... so as to sell them more. For us, we only need to think of a pie chart. Back when mtm began, it was one of the first hardware accelerated games and in fact one of the first games period. As a result, mtm dominated the pie because if people wanted to play an online racing game, mtm was just about the only option. Today is different. There are dozens, maybe even hundreds, of games to choose from. But in terms of the totality of players, there is only ever one pie... which has become sliced into dozens of pieces, of which mtm is only one small piece. If the numbers are down in mtm, it's only because there is more to choose from. Whereas in the early days mtm had a stranglehold on the online racing market, today it's just one option among many aging game titles. The same thing goes for races and drags. Today, racers find appeal, rightly or wrongly, in the characteristics of other games; but if draggers want online action, mtm is still the best option... with the result that the racing population is not as strong as it once was, and the dragging population reflects the popularity of monster jam. You may or may not like the trends, but those are the statistical and demographic facts, and no amount of arguing can change that. Yes, trends can be changed, but that's something else.

Creativity is something altogether different. This is where we get the customs vs replicas argument. But nobody asks the right questions. So. If something is custom, does that automatically mean it's creative? I say no. And. If something is a replica, does that automatically mean it's creative? I say no. Which leads us to the subject of "quality."

Are all customs trucks good trucks? I think not. Are all replicas good trucks? Again, I say no. The thing with a replica is that while it may not show creativity, it does indeed show the skill of the maker. A good replica, whether you consider it creative or not, is a work of art. The problem with this point of view, however, is that people come to believe that a replica, because of the skill required to make a good one, is somehow superior to custom trucks. Nothing could be further from the truth... because those same skills used to make a good replica are also needed to make a good custom truck. And! while a poor replica may not look as nice as a good one, it is still a replica nonetheless, and the maker has every right to classify it as a replica.

I could go on, but that should be enough for anybody who is seriously interested in the topic to understand there is more at work than just personal preference.

Are there too many drag tracks? too many replicas? Of course not, that's just silly. But if a person wants to stimulate activity in any area of the game, then they would do well to address the issues properly. For example, there has been an increase in rumble productivity over the past two years. Why? Because there are rumble tournaments now where there were none before. It's the same principle of monster jam and drag tracks. Increase interest in that area, and increased productivity and activity will follow.

Totaly agree withs Phins post. : )

apperently i should abeen here in 99 , the height of rumbling.




Anyways, I think id rather consider Creativity and Imaginative seperatly.

Creativity, Definition:
Using imagination rather than imitating something else. Generation of ideas, images and/or solutions

Imaginative, Defintion
Imagination is the ability to form mental images, or the ability to spontaneously generate images within one's own mind. It helps provide meaning to experience and understanding to knowledge; it is a fundamental facility through which people make sense of the world

By those defintions, I'd say tha replicas are imaginative, but not creative.
Perhaps some creativity would be nice, however customs have fallen out of favor, but in checking the truck reviews forums, there are some new customs that are infact pretty nice, even though they just use other peoples body models. Which in my mind is fine, I only look at the colours anyways, anything extra just lags out the game and makes the truck unusable in many detailed tracks (Zoon eurotrip for example).
I'd rather consider the stock trucks as replicas and be done with it, sure the bodies aren't perfect, but the paint jobs are (for the time).
So generally I never download a replica, why? because they lag the game and provide no more thrill than stock trucks, I'd much rather have Godzilla racing down the track competing with a blimp looking truck combined with some hellbender models, trucks with guns, and everything else. Considering MTM2 is an arcade racer, realisim seems pointless.

That all being said, I nor anyone here can control what the truck makers make, its up to them if they want to make replicas or customs. Really just can't complain about it, if you think there isn't enough customs, then make them yourself!




P.S.
Yomega totally stole my post and refrased it, PLAGERISIM! (page or 2 back for my post...) Don't make me smack with with Jam's pimp cane

lol, this isn't school anymore


did u give this some thought? most of the truck builders are new except a handful from the early years? and if u have thought of this then u didn't give it enough time to develop in ur mind.

I'd got a cool project i'd like to do, and its a conversion from evo1, and its got some things i haven't seen in mtm2