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 Post subject: Out of safe-mode.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:49 am 
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How do you start a comp not in SAFE MODE.
My comp has been starting up BY-ITSELF.
This last time it came on in safe mode.
I dont know how to get it back to normal.
PLEASE HELP.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:58 am 
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My comp has been starting up BY-ITSELF.


Uh oh, that's not good. I think you have something wrong there, charles.

Anyway, when you boot, before windows starts, press the F8 key. You should get booting options, and hopefully it'll allow regular mode.

And by the way, what kind of computer do you have? Is it a name brand or is it custom built? The reason I ask is that given the problems you've been describing lately, a couple stern measures might be in order... especially if this problem continues.


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This was interesting reading

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Miscell ... 61321.html


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:19 am 
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E.machine bud.
Big Thanks. Let me shut down and try it.
Ill be back and read what your link says.
TY big time for your help as always Phin.

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Should I start in NORMAL mode or another?

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In the link it shows for XP on the shutting down,
would it be the same for 98 2nd ed?

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Also it only restarts, never shuts down.
Just restarts after turning off.
Immediately after shutting down some times,
sometimes it just comes on in the middle of the nite.
Sorry, should have said that.

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> E.machine

What's that? Got a link maybe?

> normal mode

Well, yes. That's what you were after, right?

> 98 2nd vs XP

On that link I found, they talk mostly about the more recent versions. However, the concepts are very much the same for all systems. If you look at what's being talked about, the specific methods might be different but the concepts are the same. For example, if ram is bad, it'll be bad no matter what operating system you have. Same for power supplies.... which brings up a question.

When you say it restarts by itself, do you mean you're lying asleep at night and the computer mysteriously comes to life, or do you mean you're working on it and next thing you know it's rebooting?

Oh, and a thought, sometimes when a computer starts in safe mode, it's because the operating system finds a problem that it thinks can only be solved in safe mode... so I'm guessing something has gone kaput. Check device manager to see if any hardware components are marked as not working. You never know, eh?

And, for what it's worth, win98 2nd ed is a fine operating system. You needn't be overly concerned that it's a couple years old.


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NIR_N4SCharles wrote:
In the link it shows for XP on the shutting down,
would it be the same for 98 2nd ed?



I need a chance to finish typing, lol.


That link I found talks about all sorts of shut down and start up problems. Don't judge a book by it's cover. I read it clear on down to the bottom of the page, and there's lots of stuff there that should be relevent.


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Yes, it just comes on mysteriously.

http://www.e4me.com/

Thanks Bro. Ill sign-up for the link place and
see a lil more whats being said.

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> Ill sign-up for

Why? Just read. And by the way, the more I think on it, the more it sounds like you have a bad hardware component. Whether that's memory or what I couldn't say.


> http://www.e4me.com/

Half answers :roll:

I'm afraid for that to be any good, we'd need a model number.


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500 IX.
I'll see if I can find more for you.

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http://www.epinions.com/cmhd-Desktops-All-eTower_500ix

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<ul><li><a href="http://www.e4me.com/support/product_support.html?cat=desktop&subcat=eTower+Series&model=eTower+500ix">eTower 500ix</a> (from e4me.com)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.epinions.com/cmhd-Desktops-All-eTower_500ix/display_~full_specs">eTower 500ix</a> (from epinions.com)</li></ul>
Given that nobody is overly informative about the content of the system, I guess if I were you this is how I would proceed.

1. Look in device manager to see if I can find any hardware that is not working. If anything is listed as questionable or bad, I would remove it from the computer and see if the problems go away. If you're lucky, that will be the end of the trouble.

2. If you know anybody either with an old computer they are not using that has some old PC 133 ram in it, or if they happen to have some kicking around, I'd remove the memory from your computer and install the spare memory into it. Then see if the problem goes away. If it does, go out and buy new memory and you're home.

3. If number 2 is not for you, then see if you can find somebody you can trust to have a look at it and do it for you.

4. Service charges for an old computer are probably not worth the price. Still, if you know a trustworthy shop, it might be profitable to make inquiries. But be warned. Do not take your computer into a repair shop and give them permission to just go ahead and fix it. You may end up paying far more than what it's worth. Or worse, they'll charge you two hours labor and then say: sorry, can't be fixed.

Note. I have had problems with bad parts of every sort. The most recent was a very hard one to trouble shoot because the problem (freeze ups) was only intermittent and nothing consistent seemed to trigger it. What it ended up being was not the memory, not the motherboard, but "the slot" that the memory plugs into in the motherboard. Talk about getting specific! In my case there was nothing for it but to replace the motherboard. Thirty bucks or so. But it took me months and months, of part-time tinkering, to find the trouble.

When a hardware component goes bad, it can have all kinds of unusual results. You just have to think of something short circuiting, sending a small amount of electrical current up the wrong way of a wire, and kaboom, nothing works as it should. But finding what component and what to do about it is the tough part.

Recently, I did two jobs for family. On one, I put in new memory and lots of it. Problem solved. On the other, I went out and picked up a decent used computer and plugged all the old gizmos from the old computer into the new one... so it ended up being bigger, faster and better equipped than either the new or old computer by themselves. Total price was a hundred and fifty bucks.

I can't say what the best path is for you, only you know that. But there is something definitely hardware related wrong here and though we can see what's in the computer generally, there aren't any specific details about the parts other than a celeron cpu and a pci sound card. What I mean is, we don't know if the graphics card is built in or a component, we don't know how many memory slots and like that. But still, that needn't pose big obstacles. The first thing to do is try and pin down what's gone sour. Then go from there.


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It might just be a corrupted OS install. Win98 was good at slowly getting buggy over time, I have read some "experts" that recomended doing a clean install of it every 12-18 months.

If I recall correctly there is a repair option you can attempt by booting from your Win 98 CD. It checks and repairs any damaged system dlls and stuff like that.


And of course you should check for spyware and viruses.

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I found the mouse was half connected.
I do believe that was the safe-mode problem this morning.

Ill have to have somebody look and see if they can tell why
it just comes on by itself at times. When I the bucks that is. lol

In the image you can see I have a problem.
Thats why I cant drive with wheels or game pad.

Image

Big Thanks Phin

Thanks Woody, I've been hoping to not have to
mess with rebooting again but just may have to anyway.

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It might just be a corrupted OS install.


Charles just reinstalled a couple months ago.... that's why I've tried to steer away from that. And of course he's been describing at least two problems: the safe mode thing and the spontaneous start up thing. If his mouse was improperly connected that takes care of the one. But the phantom starts, it's my guess, are os independent. After all, if the computer is off, then the os can't very well be a factor. Or, let's say, it's less likely. That's why I've tended toward a bad hw component. And memory is usually the culprit for that sort of thing, but not always.

So, Charles, what is that ATM thing? You got a banking machine plugged into your computer? Wheels and controlers are usual under the sound devices.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:50 pm 
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Usually when you have something that has a ? in device manager, if you right click and then click uninstall, when you reboot, it will come up with a found new hardware screen. The ? means it isn't working properly, or wasn't instally correctly.

I'm not sure what kinda PCI device it is, If you have cd's from buying it, I suggest trying to install it properly using the method above.


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I havent a clue what it is man. {ATM}
But thats where the wheel has always
shown to be. I wish that you'd known that,
now I'm really confussed. lol


Even after rebooting it still will say
no hard-ware found for it Kdawg.
Tried what you said a while back.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:53 am 
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A question mark usually means "unknown" device - as it windows can't figure it out. Usually, you can only correct it if you know exactly what it is, and point it to the factory drivers. Once the correct drivers are installed, it'll move out of the ? category and into it's proper place.

An exclamation point usually means "not installed properly". I've had that for mother board drivers and such on a clean install. After I install the drivers it usually shows up properly then.

A red x usually means "disabled" or it's no good.

Charles, if you think that's causing you trouble, right click and disable in all profiles, or look at its properties and disable all profiles. If it's just a driver problem, that will fix it. But if it's a necessary component for the motherboard or something, well....

For what it's worth, no device should ever be in the question mark category.


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I dont know what that PCI ATM Controller is,
but when I enabled it and a red X came up
over it, I couldnt get online afterwards. :?

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