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THE IDEA

I'm not sure if this has come up before in MTM2, but I think it would be realy great to offer a prize for future tournaments. (Money, Games, Hat, T-shirt, Gift Certificate etc.) Tournaments would only be held a few times a year. Which would be less costly for the private investor, and allow for a more valuable prize giveaway.

WHY?

This game has been around a long time, and the Community here is realy great and I feel its time to livin up the online gaming experience.
Gamers who already compete in current tournaments spend a lot of time perfecting their lines on the track(s) and for their time dedicated to this game I think derserves a little something in return. This may also attract more of the MTM2 Community to participate in these events and make things a lot more fun and exciting in the tournaments.

MONEY

Some may say I'm an idiot, but what the heck. I would be willing to put up the money for this to make it possible. Ofcourse I have limits to how much will be coming from my pockets, but I think it should be enough to make it worth while for the MTM2 Community.

PROBLEM/HELP

I was told that you cannot host tournaments or any type of event on the zone and offer a prize give away unless you are sponsored. I'm not sure how to get around this and was hoping for some major help here.

Web Designers: I have some descent but limited web & graphics design skills. Its enough to get the job done but if anyone is willing to lend a helping hand you're welcome to come aboard.

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?

The question I assume everyone would like an answer to.

I'm just a long time MTM2 Gamer 19yrs old and been playing 3yrs. Ofcourse I come and go and tend to switch my name often, causing me to remain unknown by most. Some of my past names on the zone are BB_BluGB_, NIR_Design_, FTR_Hood_, TTR_ZorOne_/TheFix_, DIG_Doom_. I have hosted tournaments before, but only a couple in 4x4 EVO. I've been meaning to host some in MTM2, but lately just havnt had time. Hosting the tournaments will be the easy part, its just doing it alone could be tough. I've been working a night shift that doesnt give me much free time, but I have a new job starting next month, which will give me the free time to get this thing going.

Some may be thinking, "This guys insane, and is full of cow dung."

Yeah.. well I may be insane, but I plan on giving my best efforts to making this an event that will be enjoyed by the MTM2 Community.

FINAL THOUGHTS

I did actually plan on doing this alone with possibly the help of a few people. But if you think you would be able to get this going fairly easy and would like to do it your own way and just looking for some financial aid, I could possibly help there. I wont give you the money directly, but will purchase the website, and prizes.

You may e-mail me at lit@intertex.net

Perhaps you wanna talk to All2Much about it. He's doing exeptional job in hosting tournies just about every week. He's a very experience host.
If you do it on your own, i suggest you do coordinate it with both hosts who are already running tournies for us MTMers every week.

You'll find A2M around the team SLO forum for sure http://n8s.net/yabbse/index.php . You can also find him here http://www.racingclan.net/?action=index&gid=11 I love that Racing clan system as it automaticaly keep statistics and results available in your profile history
Who ever is hosting the other tourney can probably be found at Team RIP's forum http://users.boardnation.com/%7Edirtyracer/

Preparing to be competive in tournements is time consuming indeed. I dont think it would be a good idea to run more than 2 tournements a weeks. pppl would be force to make a choice or prepare less.

I suggest you associate yourself with either one of the other tournements host instead of adding your to the existing tournements.

I tend to think that you might want to give the idea of offering up money/prizes some thought. I mean, I don't know what kind of financial resources you have, but at 19 yrs of age, unless you're parents are well off or you're a boy-genius working for NASA lol, setting that kind of precedent could lead to more hassles and complications than you bargained for. One problem I already anticipate would be cheating. People do it now in routine gameplay with nothing on the line other than "a win". Rumbling is overrun with people who use cheat trucks or programs to preclude you from losing points even if you get knocked off the platform. I've only seen one occurence of cheating in racing, and it was in a tournament, but with the potential of winning a cash prize (especially), I'd say there's a 200% chance that some will attempts at cheating. Cheating is inevitable; some people simply are determined to try it. The real problem is how do you propose to control it?

My opinion is that offering money and even prizes isn't what this game needs. However, if you are determined to see this thru, I'd say go with something like a trophy (or trophies) for the "end of season" top 3 finishers...something to that effect.

As for getting with the other two tourney hosts, I think that's also a good idea. Some time ago I tried to get the guys hosting tourneys to pool their efforts and get organized so they wouldn't overlap each other by hosting tourneys week-in and week-out. Didn't happen, and the result was they burned themselves out. That's certainly a possibility here with NIR doing tourneys every Friday night and A2M hosting a tournament around mid-day on Saturdays. To me it would make more sense to alternate weeks so that each host has a week off. If you came into the mix, you could offer to be the 3rd link and host a tourney during mid-week or on Sundays around 5 p.m. est or whatever time is most convenient to you. That particular time would probably suit some racers who cant attend the other two tourneys due to the day/time they're held.

The bottom line is I think coordination between the current tourney hosts would be great for all involved. Finally, I like your enthusiasm, and I'm curious to see how this idea unfolds!

By the way, are you a racer or rumbler? Or both?

I saw this last night and wanted to let the racers get in first. Now I'll add my two cents.

THE IDEA

You have two sides to the idea. Tournaments and prizes.

For tournaments, we're behind you one hundred percent. Whether you work with the established guys, or just coordinate with them is entirely your call, but most people will be willing to check out your tourneys, and, if they're well done, will continue to participate for as long as you over see them. Absolutely, people rarely shun good things. Scheduling is just a technicality. You'll work it out if you're serious about this.

Prizes are an entirely different matter. To my knowledge, there have been three competitions for prizes. Of those, two were for making addons (<a href="http://cownap.com/~mtmg/contests/summer99/" target="_blank">Summer 99</a> and <a href="http://cownap.com/~mtmg/contests/dec99/" target="_blank">Winter 99</a>), and one was commercially sponsored by toyota (tundra). There were two others for addons (<a href="http://cownap.com/~mtmg/contests/expo2000/" target="_blank">Expo 2000</a> and <a href="http://cownap.com/~mtmg/contests/expo2003/" target="_blank">Expo 2003</a>) but anything handed out was for merit, the competition staying friendly and fun. There have been a couple other events of minor consequence. And while there's no way we can match toyota, I can speak with authority when I say handling prizes is a complicated, time consuming and expensive proposition. Even the caps we sent out this year far exceeded our original estimations. And to do that on a weekly, or even monthly (or bi-monthly), basis seems exorbitant. Not to mention the question of what to do if the same person wins three or four times in succession. For these reasons, I recommend finding alternate methods of acknowledgement and reward. There's plenty of things you could do, and we can address that when the project takes on more solid form.

WHY?

You don't need reasons why. If it's a good idea to you, then others will agree (recognizing, of course, there's no pleasing everybody). As for giving things back, you can still do that through points or series or special events scheduled among the regular tourneys. Nobody says events have to be all or nothing. Holding respectable tourneys on a regular basis is what most of these guys want. Delivering that IS giving something in return. Then, a prize tourney that, say, celebrates the release of a new track is icing on the cake. But get established, get the audience, then you'll be free to spice up the fun at any time you're ready to do it.

MONEY

People pay for hobbies, they pay for web sites and domain names, so why not a tourney. Nothing idiotic about that. The trick is to maximize limited resources, and the challenge is keeping at it, not giving up, even when things run short.

PROBLEM/HELP

As far as I know, all you have to do is contact the zone and let them know you want to host a tourney on their site. They are usually pretty reasonable about accommodating whatever you need... within reason. Regarding web space, start small on a free server like geocities. Make your presence felt; it can grow from there. We've seen hundreds of people try to begin with a big splash and then peter out a few weeks later. It takes time and committment. Without that, web space doesn't matter.

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?

The question of who you were is less important than who you are, or will become. Your destiny is your own. But in mtm2 and from a reputable tourney point of view, coming and going won't establsh much. If you're serious, we'll see lots more from you. If you're not, so it goes.

Regarding time, yes, it takes time. That's the committment part.

Regarding going it alone. No, nobody is alone around here. But by the same token, nobody is going to do it for you. Everybody sets the tasks they want to perform, and plays out their roles. Mine, lately, is this web site. Others head up teams or make tracks or truck. Others still, make other sites or programs. If your thing is to do tourneys, then great. The more the merrier. At the same time, understand that leadership means doing things other people can't/won't/refuse to do. There are days that can feel onerus, but it isn't so bad. A crowded tourney room should be its own reward.

FINAL THOUGHTS

It's your idea. Don't hand off the ball before it even gets going. If this is your niche, then run with it. If it isn't, then please don't try to make more work for others. People will join you, but it's unlikely they'll pick up and change on somebody's say so. After all, people are already trying to do their own thing anyway. A touney cannot work without organizaton, and it cannot work without racers. It's a community thing, it's not a yours and mine thing. Where you fit into that scheme is your choice. But I know for a fact, that if it's well done and responsible, you won't be able to keep the racers away. That's what racers do.

Anyway, I hope you do get it together. Good luck with it.

Wow.. I realy enjoyed reading your replies & Thank you for your suggestions on how or even if I should proceed on with this.

I've taken it all in and decided to hold off on giving out prizes/money. Maybe a year from now I will consider to go forward with this project.

I'm now on a mission of hosting some great tournaments and very soon(within a month or two). Need some major work on the graphics for the website and once thats done, its a smooth road on from there. I'll probably be using the same layout as my last website except change the color scheme and add a couple more features.

I'm still not sure about the format of the tournament, because I realy want to try something new or something not often seen but still fun.

Your replies were greatly appreciated, thank you again.

Still waiting to know if you're talking about racing or rumbling tournies.

I "assumed" racing.

Mostly Racing Tournaments, but I'll probably fit in some rumbling tournaments. I enjoy both myself.

Good, good - both race and rumble tourneys would work well. I for one would like to emphasize coordinating with NIR and A2m about their tourneys, and collectively work out some sort of scheduling thing. I know I've harped on this already, but it's only because I would rather not see the scenarios of times gone by play out yet again.

Heck I'll send A2m over to read this and I'll post this thread in NIR's forum for ya.

As for something new, something different, like Phin suggested - get established first, then once you have people's confidence and committment to attending your tourneys, feel free to unleash your pent up creativity however you please. Organization (in my opinion) should be your watchword starting out.

After i readed this i missed one thing again, i live in the netherlands and the tourney all2much hosts every week is just perfect for me, its saturdayevening 9pm start here.
Also i hope it stays that way, eventually a change form sat to sunday would also be no problem for me.
I would love to join the NIR tourney but it starts 2 or 3 am for me wich just is undoable (family/wife/kid) .
I mentioned this to the host on wich he replied he cant change that time wich i respect.
On the other hand its great to see ppl still interrested in mtm and willing to organize things/tourneys for it, i hope this will stay for ever (not realistic but nice to think) because when i see last saturday only 12 ppl signed up for all2much's tourney, i starting to worry a bit about that.
Also rivalism/bullying between certain groups/teams of racers worry me even more because we are allready on so low numbers of active racers nowadays that this really could be the begin of the end for mtm (racers)

hope to see you in zone sometimes zorro

Ronald
zonename: OLD_LoL_Evil