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Alright, that's it. Windows Vista officialy sucks. I'm getting rid of this piece of garbage anytime soon.

To all MTMers: Stay with XP. Although XP it's a "OS for dummies" keep that OS until MTM2 can be compatible with Linux.

I have vista also and everything works fine for me. MTM2, BinEdit, Traxx, podmate, everything. Is it just the program itself that isn't running?

What do you need Tracked for, Kmaster? It's like the most archaic old piece of software ever... I never got TrackEd2 to run consistently on XP, it only ever really worked on Win95. But we have far better alternative programs now that do everything it used to do, so for 99.9% of stuff we don't need it.

Tracked1 not 2.

Good. Down with Vista : )

XP rocks.

you don't need tracked anymore. Traxx can do anything you want for tracks, and binedit 2.0 or later can do anything you want for trucks.

I use Tracked for truck editing only. It is, by far, the easiest way to edit mtm1 trucks. Sorry but binedit can not be compared with tracked1

Oh, okay. I never tried Tracked1 so I don't know what it does. Tracked2 had a truck builder too but it's extremely limited (and crash-prone), so Binedit's an easy replacement for that. Tracked1 must do a lot more than Tracked2 did for it to be worth keeping around.

And there's nothing fundamentally wrong with Vista. Again I don't know about Tracked1 but Tracked2 looks and acts like a 16-bit DOS program, and we're talking at least 10 or 12 years old now for this software, so you gotta expect some things will eventually stop being compatible.

awe, Now I gotta go change my underwear, I just *beep* myself laughing

Uhm... but there really isn't anything wrong with Vista?

Granted, there is no need to upgrade from XP to Vista because it's basically the same except prettier but there's not really alot of wrong with it.


Oh and once i get 8GB of Ram on my Vista 64 it will blow XP out of the water

I couldn't get rid of Vista so I just decided to make a partition and install XP and make a dualboot start. Everything was ok until the winxp installation wanted to reboot... now there's a very fancy message everytime i boot my computer.

"Error loading operating system"

I knew that XP would mess up the boot loader and it would only load XP, not vista (I know how to fix that) but this... man...

So i'm asking you guys... if.. is there anyway to fix my boot loader? or should I buy a gun and then shot myself?

The only thing I need is to boot drive C: (vista) not D: (winxp install partition)

No, I don't have the WinVista DVD, there's only a recovery partition that doesn't even work. (Yeah I know, I should complain about that)

btw, I'm in my old Compaq Presario rightnow. slow as hell but at least MTM2 runs fine... :/

The only thing I want rightnow is get vista to run and backup my files.

Please help.

Thanks to Vista for this, and its new Bootmanager system that totally blows.

And have you actually used it?

This is the thing that gets me, all users 'know' vista sucks and tell everyone else it does, even if they've never used it. Now I'll be transparent, I haven't used it myself either, but after watching it settle a year and listening to people who actually have used it, I've come around to it.



Aw man, sorry to hear that. You NEVER install an older version of Windows on top of a newer version to make a dual boot. Each version of Windows can only know about versions prior to it - Vista knows about XP but XP doesn't know about Vista, and messes up the boot loader. I've seen a whole lab of computers here at uni get taken down and require reinstalling when someone tried to make a dual-boot with Win2000 on the existing XP installs. If you'd done them the other way around, you probably would have been fine... you can't really blame Vista for this.

Sucks to have a hidden recovery partition on the harddrive rather than a proper install disc. I hate it when they do that.

Any chance you can you yank the harddrive out of new computer and attach it to your other functioning one? You should be able to read the data and copy it off that way, then you can safely reformat the drive to reinstall XP or Vista from the recovery partition. If it's a brand-new computer, I'm betting it's a SATA harddrive which your other one might not have the interface for, but you can buy a SATA expansion card to install in a PCI slot to get the required ports.

Hmm... or likewise you could install another harddrive in the new computer in place of the existing one and do a fresh install of XP on that, then attach the drive you want to get data from and copy it safely again?

Or, if you can still boot from your optical drive, maybe you can try one of the Linux OSes that run just of DVD. If it can read your drive (I think they can generally see the drive contents but not modify it) you might be able to make a copy onto some other media that way?

Or beg, borrow or steal (not really) a Vista install DVD so you can attempt to repair the installation to get it to boot again...

It does sucks. Trust me.




Yeah, I knew that, but I did a google search about that, and therer's plenty of pages/forums saying that you can really have installed vista and xp. I followed all the instructions, but this one was not "documented"... ¬¬

>Sucks to have a hidden recovery partition on the harddrive rather than a proper install disc. I hate it when they do that.

Yeah, thanks HP for always making things more cheap (in a bad way..)


>Or, if you can still boot from your optical drive, maybe you can try one of the Linux OSes that run just of DVD. If it can read your drive (I think they can generally see the drive contents but not modify it) you might be able to make a copy onto some other media that way? Or beg, borrow or steal (not really) a Vista install DVD so you can attempt to repair the installation to get it to boot again...

Yep, i can still boot from CD, but i don't want to reinstall vista (hell no), i just wan't my files back.

I'll see what i can do... Anyway thanks D2S.

...At least my background is not overlapping the objets now...
heh i just love this computer, it never fails. To bad that is too outdated.

NP, glad you've got a way forward and I hope you get it figured out.

Leave Vista if you want, after all I'm not being paid by M$ to encourage you to use it . And reports seem to indicate it won't be that long until the next version of Windows will be coming out.

...It might lighten your day to hear that after I typed all that preaching above, within a couple of hours (in fact right around when you woulda made your post, Kmaster) my XP workstation at uni bluescreened and I couldn't get it back to log-in successfully at all. If that don't make you believe in karma, nothing will, lol . Anyway now I have to wait for the corporate wheel to turn and send someone from IT support to fix it for me. My cubicle partner uses a Mac, so no doubt he'll get some mileage out of this too

i did have Vista, on a new laptop, I returned the laptop because of Vista, it somehow managed to drain all th epower out of a duel 2 ghzz CPU and 2 gigs of RAM with a 200 gig HDD, my OLE 200mhz couuld load MS office word 2000 100 times faster, it was so pathetic, waiting for Vista to start, the battery could go dead in this time. Everything about that OS was pathetic. And turning off Aero did not give you th eXP interface, it gave u a even *stuff* Windows Classic view.

Edit-

Almost forgot, in XP I have the change pretty much every default value, because they are all wrong for me, I h8 XP blue, I want ALT keys showing, i want fading menus insteads of sliding, I dont want desktop cleanup wizard, I dont want 800 x 600 Resolution, I want system files to show up, I want hidden files to show up, I want File extensions to show up, I want my documents and settings folder, windows folder, and programs folder, accessible acrossthe network. I don't use the My Documents folder. Basically every default option I change.

Vista was even worse, first I had to FIND those options, then go aroudn the securityu to turn them off, I love how UAC has a control panel, with an option to turn it on and off, but the option was Greyed out, meaning you had to do it through MSConfig. Though to fire MSConfig, your run menu doesnt show, so first had to make that show...
Vista just did everything wrong IMO. It does nothing to make things easier or faster, and everything to make things take longer, be more anouying, and in general, break

I found a way to backup my files through the XP recovery console, so that's a relief... now i'm trying to fix the bootloader to run vista. no luck so far, i can't fix the bootmgr without the vista dvd (it's a very easy operation but thanks to HP...) so i'll just borrow a vista dvd, the other option is donwload it from P2P or torrent (i don't give a ** if it is ilegal, come and get me bill gates!) your pseudo-OS don't even worth that

lol slay, yeah that's what i meant, UAC bites

I agree.







Every major hdd manufacture has been distributing a utility (that will boot from a cd if you want it to) that will reset all hard drive default settings. The maxtor version saved a hdd two years ago for me and the drive is still working. I've since used the WD version and it's fine too. So if you're that bent on getting rid of vista, go grab it and repartition the drive and re-write the MBR and install any OS you want.

people say Vista doesnt have as many problems as we'd like to believe, I personally foun dit ridiculously slow on the laptop i got wwith it preinstalled (Which has been returned).

We have several issues trying to install our LOS software at work, on a Vista machine, it plain old doesnt work, even the administrator doesnt have enough rights to actually install our LOS.

XP was the start of this, Vista just made it worse, example, look at the documents and settings folder, the program files folder, the windows folder, the system folder, etc. you'll notice the permissions on them are really messed up, and a magic little checkbox that prevents the permissions from cascading down the folder tree. So you can have permissions for everything under that folder, but not the folder itself. you can also have permissions for everything above that folder too. The folder exists in its own little world. Vista takes this to the extreme and does it to the registry, the desktop, the C drive itself, everything, some files on the HDD you don't hav epermission too, even if your th eadministrator. meaning you have to give yourself permissions, before you can use it. Obviously a big problem for us, as our LOS software is essentially self installing. You run an EXE on the server, and it installs the software onto your machine and then runs locally. If the server version is updated, all client versions are updated, A perfect harmoney between client and server, you can have a thinner server with fatter clients, without the huge maintenance involved. However, your average user is not the Root Admin accoun ton Vista. Breaking everything!

Not to mention UAC, which spawns so many messages that users panic on every one of them, or eventually stop reading them and just press allow (allowing potentially malicious software onto their machines).

Basically Vista loses on every part of the business front.

On the personal front, my parents still cant figure out IE 7, they have since started using my Avant browser instead, and, although are still confused by the Tabs, they can at least find the Home buttn, convientnly labled "Home" and the favorites button and menu, labeled "Favorites" or "Bookmarks" (whichever you prefer).

Lets not even get started with the start menu nightmares "Where's my start menu???"
"how do I turn off my computer?"
^^ thats a great one, cauuse now its not, "Click start, and choose shutdown!" What, i dont want to start my computer?

now its, click the windows symbol, thats that thingy on the bottom left, now hold your mouse over the power symbol, thats the circle with a line thru it, when something appears, move your mouse to the (i think it was more options???) and choose shutdown.

Vista is just a nightmare. Average low brow users have a hard time understanding it, cause they struggled with XP, 98, 95, 3.1, but at least Windows has been the same for the most part through those versions, so it was a minor learning curve. The start menu being gon eis a big problem we have at some of our dumber Credit Unions, which is why we do not install Vista on any machines. Man, there is one vista machine in BC, and they couldnt even join our WebEx meeting with it.

The first thing I did when I started Vista the first time is go into Personalize and go to the Windows Classic layout. Then I got rid of all the sidebar stuff. Then I ended up having to go in and change permissions on the drive to allow me to access and edit files. But since then, I've had no issues, and Vista is no different to me functionally than XP.

they kinda broke their promise, they said b4 that it would have windows classic, windows XP, and windows Aero, it actulally only has Aero and Classic, and the classic is so... wrong... that I couldnt use it.